A Permission Slip to Live By Your Own Human Design with Lori Lisai

In this enlightening episode, host Mary welcomes Lori Lisai, a renowned human design mentor and coach dedicated to empowering women through midlife transformation.  

Lori, a passionate advocate for self-discovery, shares her extraordinary journey from a 26-year career in education to embracing her true purpose as a human design guide. As the founder of the podcast Midlife by Design, Lori specializes in helping peri and menopausal women "shed the shoulds" and unlock their inner wild woman.  

Lori delves into the fascinating world of human design, focusing on the five energy types—what they are, how they influence your life, and how understanding them can create profound self-acceptance and empowerment. She will analyze the chart of a generator type—representing about 37% of the population—highlighting how this knowledge can revolutionize your lifestyle, relationships, career, and mindset.  

Be inspired as Lori shares practical tips and intuitive guidance to live authentically by your design. Curious about harnessing your unique energy? Find out your chart - it could reveal how to live your true self and step into the next chapter of life boldly.

Connect:

• Find Lori on YouTube, Instagram, and Faceboook
• Get your free Human Design Chart

Transcript

Mary Lee: 0:00

Imagine going through life, figuring out who you are, what your personality type is, and then suddenly you go through menopause and all the things that you believed about yourself aren't so true anymore. Or maybe they were wrong all along and you now have an opportunity to figure it out. Well, let me tell you, today on this episode, I was introduced to human design. Now I've heard about it before. I think maybe I even took a quiz somewhere online But today I took a real deeper dive, not only into what it is and how it's helping shape our midlife... for the better. I learned a lot about myself. it was one of those wow, aha- moments. Everything about the world, who we are and this concept of our subtle body and our energy and like attracts like, why we're drawn to certain energetic types. It all came together a one beautiful explanation. I owe it all to my guest, Lori Lisai. Unbelievable! I don't know what more to say about this episode except the fact that I was blown away. I want you to stick around to the very end, and then turn around and share this with a friend. Check out the YouTube version of this. If you're listening on Apple Podcasts or anywhere else you listen to your favorite show.'cause you get to watch a video. I've published a full video version of this interview because we have a very special treat. I'm sharing something very deep and personal too. You have to stick around to find out what that's gonna be. Welcome to the Menopause Disruptor Podcast. I'm your host, Mary Lee, a fierce menopause doula and licensed menopause champion, ready to challenge societal norms around menopause. Menopause is often shrouded in stigma, misunderstanding, and limiting beliefs. But here's the truth. Hormonal change is a natural part of life and it deserves to be embraced, understood, and celebrated. I aim to empower women who are navigating the turbulent waters with a wealth of knowledge in hormonal health, nutrition, holistic living. Each week we'll tackle the taboo topics surrounding menopause with grit and honesty. I'll be diving deep into everything from hormone replacement therapy to nutrition, sleep, libido, and often ignored aspects of heart, brain, bone, and pelvic health. And continue to bring on the experts in the field of women's health and wellness who share my passion of elevating women's health and challenging the status quo. Together we are debunking the myths and empowering you to advocate for your wellbeing with confidence. It's time to disrupt these damaging and limiting beliefs around menopause and rewrite our stories. Join me on this empowering journey where we aren't just surviving, we are thriving. Lori Lisai is a human design mentor and coach for midlife women. and host of the podcast, midlife by Design. She followed her intuition and left a successful career in teaching after 26 years to embark on her own entrepreneurial journey, helping perimenopause and menopause women shed the shoulds and learn to follow their own inner compass. Through a mix of practical application and intuitive guidance in readings and her one-on-one coaching, Lori helps women step into the wild woman phase and leverage midlife to be who they came here to be. In this episode, we will talk about what is human design and how it is helpful for midlife women. We'll talk about the five different energy types and shed light on each one of our purposes. Fun thing coming up on this episode, we're gonna do a real chart. My chart, you're gonna find out about me a little bit more, my energy type when I was born, and the things that I'm good at and maybe not so good at. It's gonna be an exciting episode, so stick around. Welcome to the Menopause Disruptor Podcast. We have so much ground to cover. really excited to have you join me, Lori.

Lori Lisai: 4:06

Thank you so much for having me, Mary. I am so excited to have found you and to talk about this whole menopause thing.

Mary Lee: 4:16

Yeah, I love that we're both on either side of the spectrum, helping women through perimenopause and menopause, but you're designing whereas I am disrupting. And

Lori Lisai: 4:29

It's great.

Mary Lee: 4:30

my first question'cause I know the listeners are quite curious, if they don't know what this is already, I have a little bit of knowledge on it, but not much.

Lori Lisai: 4:38

Yeah.

Mary Lee: 4:38

us what the heck is human design.

Lori Lisai: 4:42

Yeah, great question. Good place to start. And essentially it's a tool for self-awareness when you, when you boil it all down, that's the purpose of human design. And in terms of what it actually is a collection of systems that meld together. And it includes the Chinese ech, the chakra system, astrology, western astrology, and it combines sort of those esoteric systems with science, so quantum mechanics and genetics. And it pulls them all together into this big mixing pot and. Because of that, because there are so many systems, it's can be pretty complicated. So I like to just start with that simplicity of, it's just a tool for self-awareness, and when you learn how to read your chart and start to decipher it, it's about just having language for yourself to navigate what's happening in your life.

Mary Lee: 5:58

Ah, kind of like your North Star or compass to give you new direction

Lori Lisai: 6:03

Yeah. Love that.

Mary Lee: 6:05

Such a pivotal phase in the life is menopause. I really like one of the expressions that you use, and I've heard this said before and I've kind of adopted it as well.

Lori Lisai: 6:14

Mm-hmm.

Mary Lee: 6:15

a second spring,

Lori Lisai: 6:17

Mm-hmm.

Mary Lee: 6:17

stepping into that new season of our life where our role shifts biologically from the reproduction to something more, I dunno, or energetic,

Lori Lisai: 6:30

Yeah.

Mary Lee: 6:31

meaningful and purposeful. So tell us then how human design is so helpful to, for women navigating through the menopausal transition.

Lori Lisai: 6:41

Yeah. I love how you described that phase of the second STR spring being this invitation into something that feels like a different purpose. And especially for those of us who have taken the mothering route and we've Right. Gotten to this, this age where our kids are growing up and they don't need us as much. And so much of our lives have been rooted in being a mother and helping our children grow into functioning beautiful adults. So we get to this phase in our lives and. It is, it feels like the roots that we've had are on, you know, not on solid ground anymore, right? Like, who are we now in this new phase? And the reason I love human design is because it's a tool that brings you back to who you actually came here to be. So this is where human design, I, I guess you could say it gets a little woo. I'm all about the woo. But it's, it's the idea of how we came into this lifetime, choosing the design in our human design. And oftentimes in life, we are following other people's expectations and right following a path that. Has been laid out by society for us, and it's not until we hit this phase for a lot of women when we're actually asking that question, who am I for me? who do I wanna be for me now? And this is my opportunity to be true to myself and come back to my truth. So human design gives you a literal map for that work and for that curiosity, and it gives you language to root yourself in who you are.

Mary Lee: 8:54

Wow. Wow. So impactful, so powerful. Uh, you are an epitome of this, this shift because you were a Vermont school teacher.

Lori Lisai: 9:06

Mm-hmm.

Mary Lee: 9:07

What, what was the impetus to lead you into this transition? Discovery, human design, and then recognize I need to teach this to others.

Lori Lisai: 9:17

Yeah, I loved teaching. I loved the work that I was doing. I loved working with students, and my colleagues were amazing. So it wasn't at all about being bored or unhappy or, you know, anything like that. It was just this pull of feeling like there was something else that I needed to do. And I discovered human design when I was still teaching. I had been taking a manifestation course actually, and was really interested in that and just starting to get curious about thinking bigger, thinking beyond, you know, the, the world that I was living in and. That course led me to human design and it was such a, it was a, a wake up. I, I felt my whole body lean in and get excited and like, what is this? And I wanna know all the things. And. So I've been studying it since about 2019. The summer of 2019 was when I started to get super curious about it and then took a a certification course and have, have just been in, we call it an experiment essentially, because the idea of pulling all of these systems together is that, okay, you get your human design body graph, it's called, it's the map. It's the thing that you look at and you take the information that you're learning and you play with it in your life and you experiment. So one of the things that I knew about my reaction to human design was that as a generator type, which is an energy type, being pulled to that, being drawn to that and excited by it meant that I. This is something I should follow. This is a, a poll. I should, I should continue going down this road. So ultimately there were a number of things that happened at school. It was post Covid 2021. Uh, and I had this sort of, this moment in a meeting where I knew my body was so clear in telling me I wasn't coming back because the, we were having a conversation about the following year and our principal decided to, to go back to kind of status quo after COID. And for me, I had spent a lot of time working to change the system and when she made that decision, I just remember feeling in my gut like it dropped and I said, wow. I don't, I am not coming back next year. This is crazy. And it took me a few months to come to, to be completely and, uh, well completely might even be a stretch. I, it was scary, you know, leaving a job that I had been doing for 26 years was terrifying. Right. And I, but I did it. I, I felt the fear did it anyway. And, uh, I love the work that I'm doing now and working with women using this tool, especially during this phase of life, to help them do the same thing if, you know, if that's what they feel called to do or to leave any situation that has been a challenge for them or that just doesn't feel like it fits anymore and or to shift the situation in some way so it does feel like it's a better fit. So that's, that's my little about my story.

Mary Lee: 13:07

Oh, thank you for sharing your story. I think that would resonate, will resonate with so many listeners who are at this pivotal point in their careers, long careers, or even if you're not, um, in the workforce, just at that pivotal point where things have, like you said, shifted and we start to sense in our own body sometimes for the very first time of getting to know who we are, recognizing a shift. And what does that tell us? And this is where the chakra system comes in. The subtle body, the energetic body.

Lori Lisai: 13:41

Yeah.

Mary Lee: 13:42

most, most of our lives, we go throughout life, oblivious blind to the fact that we have this other language in our body, the energy,

Lori Lisai: 13:51

Mm.

Mary Lee: 13:51

and it's constantly sending messages. And I really appreciate the fact that you said this feeling in my gut

Lori Lisai: 13:59

Mm-hmm.

Mary Lee: 13:59

our gut. I, I'm gonna take a pause because the Canadian Forest of snowbirds are flying over house right now and making all kinds of noise. This is their training ground. Every year. They come out here for a few weeks

Lori Lisai: 14:12

Um,

Mary Lee: 14:13

So everybody loves it. After a long career in the Canadian Air Force, this way aviation, I'm like, oh, here they go again. don't you know I'm doing a podcast.

Lori Lisai: 14:26

Right,

Mary Lee: 14:27

this portion in here because this is what makes our podcasting so authentic and real. People

Lori Lisai: 14:32

right. I love it.

Mary Lee: 14:33

these

Lori Lisai: 14:33

love it.

Mary Lee: 14:34

conversations. But back to what I was saying about this feeling in our gut.

Lori Lisai: 14:38

Mm-hmm.

Mary Lee: 14:39

I love that you said that because our gut is always talking to us. that gut brain connection.

Lori Lisai: 14:45

Mm-hmm.

Mary Lee: 14:46

and the work that I'm doing is more about teaching women how to fuel it properly, how to use exercise and nutrition as well as stress management to really start to tap into our true self. But this really, Lori, is the first time that it's been framed so brilliantly through the human design concept that we have a whole other part of who we are. The energetic body, the part that always was and will, always will be and will continue long after our vessel disintegrated, but our energy continues. But bringing it back to, while that energy is still with us and our present day bodies. I'm curious by now to know what are the different types of in the human design and how does one go about figuring out their human design?

Lori Lisai: 15:38

Yeah, great question and I would love to, uh, to talk a little bit about your chart as well as we're moving through these. One of the things that. We were just talking about the gut connection is super strong for two of the energy types. So in human design, similar to astrology for example, where in astrology somebody might ask you your, what's your sign? And they mean, what's your sun sign? So you were born May 28th, so, Gemini, right?

Mary Lee: 16:18

that's right. Mm-hmm.

Lori Lisai: 16:19

Gemini. so you're a Gemini Sun With human design though, it's the same thing where you plug in your birth information. So it's based on that time. And where you were born, you want to be as accurate as possible. So you plug in your birth information and it generates your human design chart for me. I have a chart generator on my website, so you can go to lori lisa.com and go to get your chart and it, you'll generate it for free. And then you'll get the chart itself, which looks like a bunch of shapes and some numbers and some lines that are connecting them. And you get a sense if you overlay the chart on a human, it looks like there's, you know, you can kind of see the chakra system within it and. Those shapes are all called energy centers. And then there are energy types. So similar to that idea of the sun sign, there are energy types in human design, there are five of them. And energy type is like the role that you came here to play. It's like how your energy interacts with other people. So, yeah. Yeah. So the.

Mary Lee: 17:47

Okay.

Lori Lisai: 17:48

so the five different types are, the first one that I like to start with are Manifestors, and they are about 9% of the population, so pretty rare type. And they are here to be our leaders, our initiators, they, they're kind of our fire starters. And what can be challenging about being a manifester is that most of the time people don't know what you're talking about because you are, you've gotten this idea or this creative urge that you want to go hard on, and you're literally blazing a new trail so people don't understand because we haven't heard of it yet, or it's something I.

Mary Lee: 18:41

like the Einsteins of the world?

Lori Lisai: 18:43

Like, oh, that is a great question. I don't actually know what energy type Einstein was. I'm gonna have to look that up. that's a great question. it's a similar idea though of Yeah. People who are coming and, and saying things, you know, that you're, you're just like, what? Okay. Uh, and I think learning that you are a manifester can be so. Helpful to you because you've lived this life where people don't understand you or don't get you, or, or they're struggling to, connect with you. And understanding that this is just the way that your energy works can be such a blessing to you. And, and it can help you to give you permission to continue doing what you're doing and just understand that's the way that your energy works. You know, you came here intending for that design to be the way it is in order to do what you wanted to do in this, version of your human suit. and a manifester. Each of the energy, energy types has an aura, uh, type. And the manifester is. This veil, it's, it's sort of difficult to see behind the veil until they feel like an invitation into that energy is, is needed or warranted. So.

Mary Lee: 20:17

Okay.

Lori Lisai: 20:18

Those are manifesters, our trailblazers. Then we have projectors, which are about 20% of our population, and projectors are here to guide. They are the people who can look at a situation and see with such clarity what needs to be addressed or fixed on a, usually on a like systems level. But they, are beautiful humans. Their energy type is, or sorry, their aura is piercing, and essentially that piercing aura lets them see into other people really deeply. So super cool kind of, energy type. Then we have generators. And generators are the most common energy type. They are about 37% of the population. And what makes a generator a generator is that their sacral is defined. And this is coming back to the talk about your gut feeling. So generators. And then the next type that I'll talk about are those are the ones that are gonna have the strongest relationship with a gut feeling. Manifestors and projectors don't have a defined sacral, so their experience of that gut feeling is going to be very inconsistent compared to a generator or a manifesting generator. So generators. Yeah. So sometimes you can be in conversation with somebody and be talking about that gut and that gut connection. And I mean, trauma definitely plays into it. I think how well we can connect with our gut feeling, but also energy type. You know, if you are a projector or a manifestor or a reflector, then that connection to your gut and that feeling, it's not gonna be as strong as a generator or a manifesting generator. So, yeah. Yeah.

Mary Lee: 22:38

spinoff questions, but keep going. Keep going.

Lori Lisai: 22:41

Okay. Uh, so generators are here are as our builders, essentially as our creatives. They are here. The, if you look out at anything that exists in the world, a generator is behind it because you need to have somebody to create the thing. And if we're tracking each of the energy types and how they all kind of fit together, like this puzzle, it's the manifestors are where the ideas come from. It's how we get going. The projectors are here to guide the energy of generators and manifesting generators who are the creatives. So we all kind of work together, ideally, ideally.

Mary Lee: 23:31

Fabulous stuff.

Lori Lisai: 23:33

The generator aura is magnetic and enveloping. So you think of a generator aura as like a warm, juicy hug. it's very lovely energy. People love to be around it. so Mary, both you and I are generators, and what's interesting about this is people do love that energy and they're drawn to it. And the most important thing we can learn to say is no. Uh, basically like I am not available to give you my energy right now. I need to, yeah.

Mary Lee: 24:11

yeah. I'm getting shivers down my arms. Ooh,

Lori Lisai: 24:15

Hmm. I love that. I love that. And actually, your response to that was such a sacral response. You know, there's so much I could talk about, with this. But let's talk about manifesting generators who are 33% of the population, and this is the only hybrid type. They are a little bit manifester and a little bit generator. And how that plays out really depends on their chart. Some manifesting generators are more manifester, some are more generator, and some are what we think of as pure manifesting generators. So either way it means that they can do a bit of initiating and they also are here to have that sacral response form. First and foremost, they are a generator type. But, the difference between a generator and a manifesting generator is that generators are here to build momentum. They're just moving along at, you know, at a pace. Just do, do keep going. I think of the tortoise and the hare when I think about manifesting generators and generators. And then the mangen is here to be efficient and to spot efficiencies and tends to move a lot more quickly. So they're darting all around, trying different things circling back around. So they may end up at the finish line around the same time, but the manifesting generator has tried a bunch of different things, whereas the generator is more likely to be on one track working forward. Yeah. And then the, and the last type are reflectors. Reflectors are just 1% of the population. So reflectors are super rare. And what defines a reflector is if you look at your body graph, every single center is not colored in. And essentially what that means is that they are our cosmic mirrors. So if we think about the purpose of all of the different types, manifestors here to initiate. Projectors are here to guide generators and manifesting generators here to create and build efficiencies. Reflectors are here as our cosmic mirrors. They're here to. Show us the kind of the wellness of usually an organization or, what whatever, some kind of group. And that's because they are consistently, their aura is called sampling. So they are taking on and borrowing bits of energy from the people around them and trying it on for size and gen, reflectors are here to be deeply connected with the moon cycle, the lunar cycle, uh, in order to come to clarity. so those are the five energy types and yeah. You said you had a bunch of questions,

Mary Lee: 27:34

Oh my goodness.

Lori Lisai: 27:34

which you got

Mary Lee: 27:38

Well, it's, I'm excited, first of all to find out that I'm a generator

Lori Lisai: 27:42

Yeah.

Mary Lee: 27:43

and I hope that the listeners, I know that the listeners are gonna be really excited going, okay, I gotta go to Lori's website and figure out what type I am as well. But with, okay. Step back first. How does the time,'cause you said you plug in the time where you were born and the date. Um, a natal chart, how does that influence? the time and place where in the planet you were born, how does that influence,

Lori Lisai: 28:12

Yeah.

Mary Lee: 28:12

'cause essentially it's saying we choose to come to this earth at a particular time, so we answer it right at that window of opportunity that determines whether we're gonna be any one of these five

Lori Lisai: 28:24

Yeah,

Mary Lee: 28:25

types. So

Lori Lisai: 28:26

you,

Mary Lee: 28:27

that come into play?

Lori Lisai: 28:29

you got it. And I know one of the questions I get is, well, if I was born by cesarean does that change what my, what my design would have been? And the answer to that is no. However you were born is exactly what you wanted, however it happened. Uh, so the timing piece is, this is where the science comes in. And what's interesting is the gentleman who downloaded human design as a system. When he was sharing the information, he talked about neutrinos, which are the tiniest, tiniest bits of energy of matter that are floating through the air, through the ether at any time that have information on them. And they are, they're constantly passing through our human bodies and the things that look, solid around us. they're constantly in the ether, essentially. And when you decided to. Come in to be birthed. There, there was the neutrino stream that was coming through at that time. And so it, it, the idea is that it, it makes this imprint on you. So you have two sides to your human design chart. When you look at, the chart on the right hand side is what's called personality or your conscious side. And then on the left hand side you'll see design or your unconscious side. And the personality side is that moment of birth. And then the design side is 88 days before your birth. So you had two different imprints that happened, one coming in at the time of your birth and then one coming into you in utero. And what's fascinating is. Raw, which is the man's name who channeled the system talks, was talking about neutrinos. And then it wasn't until years later that scientists actually even proved that neutrinos were a thing that they existed. Uh, and there's still lots of research about neutrinos and how, you know, and I guess this is where you really have to believe that we are all one in some way, shape, or form. And that there are these pieces, that connect us all. So that's why the exact time is important and because the planets are shifting all the time and. Essentially that means that the way that their energies are affecting us here on Earth is shifting. And so having that exact time helps us to see, okay, where were they during that time? And how then did they impact you coming earth's, you know, coming here?

Mary Lee: 31:46

Oh, wow. Everything you say, you just spin off. Another bazillion questions comes into my mind, but let's make it, let's simplify it. Lori, we

Lori Lisai: 31:59

Okay.

Mary Lee: 31:59

before we hit record about showing a live example, a

Lori Lisai: 32:03

Mm-hmm.

Mary Lee: 32:04

of a chart. should we do it?

Lori Lisai: 32:09

Yes. Let's do it.

Mary Lee: 32:10

to all the listeners to figure out just who the heck this Mary person is

Lori Lisai: 32:14

Yes.

Mary Lee: 32:16

at our human design.

Lori Lisai: 32:17

Yes.

Mary Lee: 32:18

Beautiful.

Lori Lisai: 32:19

is. I love this because now I, I'm able to share with you what, the specifics are. So when I talked about the personality side, I'm talking about this da the blocks or the numbers that are all down this side. And, and so this is, the design that you chose coming in on your conscious side, and then this is your design side or your unconscious side. Each of these shapes, roughly correlate to the chakra system. Although in the chakra system, traditionally there are seven chakras, right? And in human design there are nine energy centers. So the heart, splits into the, this is called the G center or the identity center. and if you're listening, the G or the identity is the diamond in the middle of the chart. And then the ego or heart center is the little triangle that kind of pops off of it. And then, the sacral splits into the spleen center, which is the triangle on the left facing inward toward the center of the chart toward the bottom. And then the emotional solar plexus. you are a generator type. And what makes you a generator? The mechanics of a generator are that you have this sacral center, it's called defined. Defined means that it's colored in. So you see how Mary, if you're listening to this episode, as opposed to watching it, Mary has her head, her Ajna, her throat, and her identity, or G Center, which are the top four shapes. Those are all undefined and or she actually has a completely open head. But these are all undefined and that just means that they're white or depending on the chart that you're looking at, they're not colored in. And then. and then she has all of the rest of the centers defined. So you have a defined heart, a defined solar plexus, sacral, spleen, and root. And what makes you that generator is that you are a sacral. You have that center defined, but it's not connected to the throat center if your sacral was somehow connected to the throat. Through these lines here, these sort of, that look like tubes or circuits. these are called channels. And if you had something connected to the throat with your defined sacral, then that's what makes you a manifesting generator.

Mary Lee: 35:05

Okay.

Lori Lisai: 35:07

I didn't mention this earlier, but the. But to come back to this, I think this is an important point about the energy types. Manifesting generators are 33% of the population and generators are that 37%. So together generator types make up 70% of the population. And essentially what that means is we live in a generator driven world,

Mary Lee: 35:33

Oh.

Lori Lisai: 35:35

this is where it can be really helpful for people who don't have this sacral defined, who we call non sacral, like manifestors projectors or reflectors. When they learn that they don't have this sacral energy, it's usually a huge aha moment. Like, wow, okay. I am not lazy, I am not, just. I'm not exhausted all the time because something's wrong with me. It's because I've been trying to live like a generator type my entire life, and this is my permission slip to stop doing that. Yeah.

Mary Lee: 36:19

Oh wow. This is incredible. I'm reading all the information, the details on

Lori Lisai: 36:25

Over here. Yeah.

Mary Lee: 36:28

so.

Lori Lisai: 36:29

go ahead.

Mary Lee: 36:30

what really strikes me the most on is the strategy, how you take action and interact with the world. I wait to respond. That, let me tell you, when you are working in a corporate workplace and you are a generator, this is just like the light bulb is going off here and you take, you're sitting around those board meetings and you're taking in all this information. Of course, my line of work was communications. Not surprising. I'm a Gemini

Lori Lisai: 37:00

Mm-hmm.

Mary Lee: 37:00

we do. But when you wait and you take it all in and you strategize that gap of not speaking, not responding or jumping in to feel, the gap of silence is often misinterpreted as she doesn't get it or she's an airhead and then that plays on your. Mental wellbeing. go through the automatic negative thought process. hell's the matter with me. I'm not fitting in. But we can't render a decision because we have to let it in the gut, so to speak, and have that right feeling of when it's right act. With that in mind. Yeah.

Lori Lisai: 37:48

Oh my gosh.

Mary Lee: 37:48

mind, then, I would imagine now, Lori, the work that you're doing is then helping women at this pivotal time in their lives to take in this information be completely okay with who they have to be energetically in order to honor their human design. Am I right?

Lori Lisai: 38:10

100%

Mary Lee: 38:12

Yeah.

Lori Lisai: 38:13

actually can, I would love to reflect for you how your human design illustrates all of the things that you just talked about. So you talked about waiting to respond, and that is tapping into that gut feeling. The idea for generator types is that you, you wait to respond. And what you're waiting for is that gut feeling. You're waiting for your gut to remember how I was saying earlier that I knew when I had the gut drop that I was leaving

Mary Lee: 38:53

Mm-hmm.

Lori Lisai: 38:54

when I found human design, I had this like, oh, what? Like super excited. I felt pulled toward it. Right? So that's the response that you're waiting for is that gut check. Now what another thing you said was, I need the time to let it percolate, to let it sit. And you are an emotional authority. So your authority in human design is how you are designed to make decisions. And this is such, I'm so glad you said that, because a lot of times what happens, especially with some of the other markers in your chart, is. People could tend to jump right in. They could get that, sacral response and be super excited about something and just wanna go for it. But you are saying, I, I need that time to let it percolate. And 50% of the population has this solar plexus authority, which essentially, when you boil it all down, just means you need to wait. You need to take your time, sleep on it at least once, at least one night if you can, depending on the size of the situation. You know, if you're an emotional authority, you're not gonna wait a night to figure out what to eat for dinner, but. If it's, if it's a decision with some weight, you wanna take time. And the reason is because you're waiting for more information to come into your purview, to come into your world, to give you kind of these breadcrumbs to lead you to a, to clarity, to a strong decision. And emotional authorities are driven by an emotional wave, which means that you need to give yourself time to feel through the whole wave. Instead of making, especially sacrals, they're like, oh my God, that sounds so great. That's so exciting. And we wanna jump right in based on that excitement. And then we don't let it sit. And then the next day we're like, oh my God, why did I commit to that? Or why? Right? Yeah.

Mary Lee: 41:10

why did I spend$10,000 on a bloody digital course I don't need?

Lori Lisai: 41:16

Yes, yes, yes, yes. So with the emotional solar plexus, you talked about letting it percolate. That is beautiful. And exactly what I would want to hear from you. However, because most people don't understand that half the population has this authority. They, our tendency, especially being 70% generators in the world, is like, well, if you're smart, that means you can make decisions right on your feet. And it means you can know exactly what you want right in the moment. Very masculine kind of energy. And for you, you have a completely open head. The head center is all about inspiration and ideas, and then you have an undefined ajna, which is our filter. It's where we take those ideas and form opinions about them. And so when you, when it's open or undefined, it means that it's inconsistent. You have room, you can see both sides of something you take in and amplify other people's ideas and inspirations. So the challenge of having the these centers either open or undefined, is that you can get into that. Well, I don't know enough or I don't know the answer, therefore, I. I must be stupid or whatever. So you were reflecting that as well, right? Is

Mary Lee: 42:50

Yeah.

Lori Lisai: 42:51

this feeling of oh, how do I sit and wait and feel grounded in that? And this is where I love human design so much because it gives you the language and you can look at your chart and say, wow, okay, there's nothing wrong with me. I am actually doing exactly what I came here to do. And I can start to, we call it decondition, right? Pull off those layers of expectation of feeling like we should be something else, or we should be following somebody else's plan and just be who we came here to be.

Mary Lee: 43:31

Hmm. Wow. I would also say on the flip side is that for me, knowing this generator type now and that it's the gut feeling. Taking my time to really strategize and think things over is my nature. However, the moment I'm in a situation where I recognize something isn't right, I have a tendency to dive right away and call it out for what it is it's like I've been punched in the gut and my whole body is saying, I call bs. This isn't right. Or I see the injustice in the world and I'm just,

Lori Lisai: 44:11

Wow.

Mary Lee: 44:11

I have to honor that. But at other times I think, oh, I should have reigned it in a little bit. I could be a little bit, a little bit feisty, a little bit of a disruptor.

Lori Lisai: 44:19

Mm-hmm. That's a beautiful thing.

Mary Lee: 44:23

and that's very much part of that generator type.

Lori Lisai: 44:27

Not necessarily generator. So a couple of things I would say about that one, uh, you have a defined spleen, which the spleen is about, its intuition. our center for intuition. So you're attuned to when something feels off, there's Yeah. There's also the, in the spleen, it's also this safety mechanism. It's the oldest energy center. It's the one that we, yeah, it's the one that we share with animals. And so it's that energy of I'm unsafe. I am, I'm running away before I even realize what's happening kind of thing. those are the two things that I would say that are connected there. There are some other things, but for beginners, I think it's good not to get too, too into the weeds and, okay. I'll say one more thing, which is your personality, line. So there's something called profile, which is your personality. It's similar to the role that you play. You're a two four, and that two line is a natural at things. Oftentimes things come easily to you. It can be a situation where somebody might look at you and say, how on earth did you do this? Or, how did you even know to do this? And to you, it just feels like blinking or breathing, to you, you're like, what? Everybody doesn't do that or know how to do that. so I feel like there's a flavor of that coming in potentially as well.

Mary Lee: 46:08

All right. We could spend a lot of time just talking about MyChart, but I definitely wanna bring this back to something that's relevant and relatable for all the listeners in menopause. There are things that you offer to your clients

Lori Lisai: 46:21

Mm-hmm.

Mary Lee: 46:21

tell us about all your courses. Because my interest has been peaked. I'm sure the listeners' interests have been peaked, whether they're watching it the chart, and just getting a general sense of, um, knowing that 37% of us, well, 70, all combined are the generators. I'm sure that this has just tweaked so much curiosity. So tell everybody how they can work more one-on-one with you.

Lori Lisai: 46:43

Yeah, for sure. So I do one-on-one coaching, uh, just. Essentially what that looks like is coming to me with something that's going on, usually related to perimenopause, midlife transitions, that type of thing. And then working together, using your chart to bring you more clarity, to get you unstuck, to start to help you shift into feeling like you're living who you wanna be and you're being who you want to be.

Mary Lee: 47:18

Mm.

Lori Lisai: 47:19

and I used the word permission earlier. I think that human design gives you the permission that oftentimes you don't even know you're looking for. So that is a longer. Almost like a one long reading, where we spend the time over, usually three to six months working together. So I have that and I also offer readings. Just, you know, let's sit down and look at your chart and we can break it apart. We can, again, because I'm a generator, I tend to ask people, what do you, what exactly do you wanna look at? what's going on in your life? That we could pull some threads in human design. So you feel like, okay, I am learning about myself and I'm also helping, helping to get myself out of a bind in some way. Usually people are seeking this knowledge because they're looking to better some part of their life in some way.

Mary Lee: 48:17

Mm-hmm.

Lori Lisai: 48:17

offer, readings And then I have a group program called Midlife Magic that will be launching relatively soon. and you can get on the wait list there, on my website for that. And then I have a free perimenopause survival guide that is, yeah, it's based on your energy type. So

Mary Lee: 48:42

Oh.

Lori Lisai: 48:42

run your chart and it's customized to you and your energy. And you can learn about not only your energy type, but also as it, how it relates to perimenopause and your experience in perimenopause. And what can you do to better take care of yourself based on your energy type.

Mary Lee: 49:03

Oh wow. There's just so much.

Lori Lisai: 49:06

I know.

Mary Lee: 49:08

I'm a true believer. I dunno if this is a generator type, but I am a true believer that the universe always has your back.

Lori Lisai: 49:16

Mm,

Mary Lee: 49:16

attention to those little bread crumbs, really lean into that. Um, and that's the trust your gut part.

Lori Lisai: 49:23

it is.

Mary Lee: 49:24

the universe is sending you signs all the time.

Lori Lisai: 49:27

Yeah.

Mary Lee: 49:28

it's reading your mind. It's like, oh, and that's what happened. I swear with me. It's like, Hmm, you need to meet Lori. Okay. Here's Laurie, and she's just told me what my design is, which someone and, my listeners, know this by now'cause I talk about a lot, but someone who's had PTSD from occupational stress injury, and then you add on a concuss brain, a head injury,

Lori Lisai: 49:53

Mm-hmm.

Mary Lee: 49:54

and then menopause. So if you've had any underlying neurodivergent traits and, and park that thought,'cause I wanna get back to that neurodivergency. So you add those three things and the neuro neurodivergent traits tend to come back tenfold. Once the estrogen leaves the body, it's like, hey, surprise, guess what? We're here again. So for those three things,

Lori Lisai: 50:15

Mm-hmm.

Mary Lee: 50:15

and then you're going through life and trying to figure out why, why do I do what I do? Is it because of the injury? Is it because of the PTSD? And it's really easy for us to go into that negative thought pattern really easy because the brain's job is to protect the body. The brain's job is to say, I've been assigned to help you survive in this world. And so you have hyper vigilance, beyond control and trust, issues beyond control, and a tendency to yourself and internalize everything that's going on. This Lori, to me, has been literally my permission slip to be human

Lori Lisai: 50:57

Mm

Mary Lee: 50:58

terms,

Lori Lisai: 50:59

mm.

Mary Lee: 50:59

by my design. Oh, that should be the title of the podcast.

Lori Lisai: 51:03

Love it.

Mary Lee: 51:03

Slip to Be Human. By your design. Okay. And we're onto something. But see what I mean? Like this is, this has been so enlightening and it's, it's coincides so nicely with where I am in my transition having come out the other end saying, I don't wanna fricking do corporate anymore. I wanna help women because this was my pain point and now my mess is my message, and

Lori Lisai: 51:28

Yeah.

Mary Lee: 51:28

them through their transformation to get the same results that I am getting, is exactly what you're doing, of course, too. But I really believe that the universe just comes along, right? Right. When you need a little something just to remind you, Hey, remember that design, remember your blueprint, it's all in there.

Lori Lisai: 51:46

Mm-hmm.

Mary Lee: 51:47

just start trusting your gut. Trust your gut. I say that a lot. Trust your gut. A wise woman when she enters menopause and then steps out on the other side is I. Able to lean into that intuition, which is the gut, which is the third eye of course. and I really find her her true purpose. You are a blessing Laurie, but

Lori Lisai: 52:07

Mm-hmm.

Mary Lee: 52:08

go back to that part about neuro divergency

Lori Lisai: 52:11

Mm-hmm.

Mary Lee: 52:12

you were describing all five of the energy types, but the manifesters that they, have trouble with communicating their ideas, their bright ideas, because they're nonsensical to a lot of people and that they have this aura type was, you said the veil.

Lori Lisai: 52:32

Mm-hmm.

Mary Lee: 52:32

It's kind of covered their aura type, so it was hard for their energy to I'm wondering if individuals with a neurodivergent trait are. to be a little bit more manifesters. Now, not to say that if you were born at the certain time and place and point that you're gonna have a neurodivergent trait, but I'm just wondering if that neurodivergency is a prominent feature so that they can be manifesters. Does that make any sense?

Lori Lisai: 53:02

It does, and I'm not sure that I would equate or that I would make a, a deep connection at the energy level. I. for human design types. However, like I said, it's a, a bunch of different systems, right, that are connected. And I would, I like to look at the gates, which are, when you're looking at the chart, it's the numbers. Those are all the numbers. Those are called gates. And, there's one in particular that I look at, which is gate nine. And, actually I'm just gonna share my screen again so we can look at your chart because it's a great example. so. Gate nine is down here in the sacral and it's reaches toward the root center. The root has Gate 52, which when those two are both defined, you'll have the 9 52 channel, which is the channel of concentration, and Gate nine is the side of, or the half of the channel That's really about focus on details and under understanding most importantly, what details to focus on. so

Mary Lee: 54:24

I'm a detail oriented person.

Lori Lisai: 54:26

yeah, and, and the thing about a DHD is, it's not necessarily that people who. Have a DHD as an example, have problem focusing. It's that they can be hyper-focused on something, right? And that can be the challenge. there's a little bit of both, right? There is like distractibility, but also that hyper focus. And the trick is understanding yourself well enough to know what are the environments I can put myself in? what are the conditions it works best in? so when you have gate nine and you don't have Gate 52, you don't have the full channel, it's gonna be a little bit more challenging for you, in regards to the focus piece, because you don't have that flow of energy, you have the half. And so what I would say here is a hack for, for your listeners and for you yourself. If you find that you're having trouble focusing, get out of the house and go work in a coffee shop or a library or someplace where you can be around other people, because what happens is if you look at your chart and you see all of these little numbers that are like halfway, they're half of a channel. So for you, for example, you've got nine, you don't have the 52. that nine, think of it like a little energy tendril that's out. It's electromagnetic. So it's looking for the 52. The 52,

Mary Lee: 56:00

interesting.

Lori Lisai: 56:01

yeah. So the 52 is the gate of stillness. It's the gate that brings you that ability to sit still and just be, and allow that focus to come in. Interesting. I have the Gate 52. So together, when we're together and talking, we complete this channel together. And if you go to a coffee shop and you're around somebody, prob if there are a bunch of people around, you're bound to be around somebody who has that gate 52. So you can lock in and you might find that it's easier to focus. you still can put your headphones in or whatever you need to help you really dial in your environment. if you get distracted by sounds or whatever. But you're sort of borrowing that energy for that time period to help you focus.

Mary Lee: 56:57

Oh my goodness. Is this. What they mean by our energy, like vibration, like attracts like, So would this be like we are receptors for that opposing, or I shouldn't say posing that complimentary energy to complete the channel? Is

Lori Lisai: 57:12

Yeah.

Mary Lee: 57:12

when they say you're drawn to the energy of others

Lori Lisai: 57:16

Yeah. This is, yeah. This is how the energetics work. Yeah, exactly. It's sort of that idea of you complete me, you know, in in an energetic way. Yeah. Yeah.

Mary Lee: 57:29

is fascinating. I just learned something incredible right now that is so interesting. And I'm looking at this thing. There's a lot of empty channels or open channels and then there's

Lori Lisai: 57:41

So.

Mary Lee: 57:41

of half open channels

Lori Lisai: 57:44

So when you have a gate, it's called a hanging gate. When it's half of a channel, you think of it as like this tendril that's hanging, waiting to connect with the other half of it.

Mary Lee: 57:57

Oh, interesting.

Lori Lisai: 57:58

Yeah. Yeah.

Mary Lee: 58:00

go around life saying, oh, you're nothing but a hanging gate,

Lori Lisai: 58:07

Right.

Mary Lee: 58:08

oh, this is so cool. So, we can actually do things then in our lives. we're not stuck with this. This isn't permanent. We can actually do, exercises or take on activity that helps that channel complete,

Lori Lisai: 58:24

right. yeah.

Mary Lee: 58:25

Wow!

Lori Lisai: 58:25

You're, you came in with your design on purpose, so I don't want your listeners to think you're looking to fix yourself in any way because this was the design that you came here to live out. It's more like. Some hacks or some tricks when you're trying to accomplish something or you're trying to have a better understanding of something. Yes, you can borrow people's energy for a little while, and just noticing that, oh, okay, I feel unfocused today. I'm gonna go work in the coffee shop and see if that makes a difference. You know, you're doing that favor for yourself and then you can go back home and, be totally unfocused or be feeling all over the place. And then who knows, maybe you get, five different areas of your house clean because one thing leads to another, to another, to an, you know, like random things come together and you allow your, what feels like it's out of focus to just lead you to where you're meant to be when it's not structured and you don't need to accomplish a specific thing,

Mary Lee: 59:35

And on the, on the flip side. We have our design that we chose and came to this world with.

Lori Lisai: 59:41

Mm-hmm.

Mary Lee: 59:42

to the point about a neurodivergent trait or any condition that we've been exposed to within our lifetime,

Lori Lisai: 59:47

Yeah.

Mary Lee: 59:48

a condition, a medical situation, an injury and illness that doesn't necessarily define the energy type. It just kinda can shape it. No matter what energy type we are, whatever other conditions or layers we have with ourselves can shape how we act out. But then when we go back to our design, we can learn again, okay, this is my design. No matter what has happened to me, I can still use the design to find my truth.

Lori Lisai: 1:00:19

Yeah. Absolutely. Mm-hmm.

Mary Lee: 1:00:23

I'm glad you found me.

Lori Lisai: 1:00:24

Yes, me too.

Mary Lee: 1:00:26

help me work on something here and I feel so energized and full of great ideas and my brain is just, yeah.

Lori Lisai: 1:00:35

Yay. Oh, I love it. I'm so excited. That's so great. I,

Mary Lee: 1:00:40

excited.

Lori Lisai: 1:00:40

yeah. Anytime I'm able to introduce somebody to human design is a win because it's made such a difference for me in helping me navigate perimenopause and really giving myself permission to do the things that I wanna do and to understand how I work. You know, it's like a manual for yourself. Mm-hmm.

Mary Lee: 1:01:04

you've said it perfectly and in the context of lifestyle protocols for managing the midlife transition, we can follow the key protocols of lifestyle. So our nutrition and exercise, the more that we can, help our body physically, we are helping it energetically so that we have the ability to open up those channels and create more of a mind body connection. That's a whole other discussion. But back to simple lifestyle protocols for managing menopause. Exercise, what we eat, how we manage stress, and sleep management. Things we can do to improve our sleep because sleep is the pan as far as I'm concerned for everything. then the sense of community. But now you got those five, this is like the sixth protocol, which is yourself that permission can shape and change the body and change what you eat and management. But now you have this this. This chart, like you

Lori Lisai: 1:02:09

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Mary Lee: 1:02:10

heading that tells you everything that you are doing falls within this design, and here is your permission to have the personality that you have with it within the context of all the other systems that we have. We find ourselves in this, in this dense, earthly planet.

Lori Lisai: 1:02:33

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And I, I love that you named off all of the different, uh, kind of. Protocols and ways to approach perimenopause and menopause and human design has something to say about all of those. Actually it even like you can, for example, an exercise routine for a non sacral being versus a sacral being. I would approach those two things differently. a projector will probably be completely exhausted. With a five day, lifting weights routine or a lot of cardio throughout perimenopause and menopause versus a generator type that might be supportive for them. Another thing that might come into play would be their root. if you have a defined route or an undefined route, there's a big difference between how those two function. Human design also talks about our digestion and how we take in not only food, but information. So for example, your digestion is nervous touch, and essentially what that means is that it's best for you to kind of be in this like buzzing, moving around. I don't know if you eat on the go, but that is, that is supportive for you if you are able to eat on the go or to eat while you're doing something else, or to just have some action and moving around. Yes, yes.

Mary Lee: 1:04:02

I'm sitting at the dinner table, my leg is fidgeting, dinking, ding, dink, ding, dink, ding,

Lori Lisai: 1:04:05

There you go. Yes.

Mary Lee: 1:04:06

still.

Lori Lisai: 1:04:07

Right. And, and this is a great example of these, these gurus who come out with this blanket statement of, when you're eating, you really should sit in quiet and pay attention to every bite that you take and et cetera, et cetera. And yes, for some people, for example, if you are calm, touch, yes, that is perfect. Sit in quiet, try to have your environment be as calm as possible. But that's not going to be, I. Productive or helpful for the digestion of somebody who has nervous touch, who has, high sound or something like that. there are digestions that are, there's one called consecutive, for example, where it's best for you if you, let's use the Thanksgiving dinner plate as an example. Here. You sit down, you have a big plate of all the different things instead of mixing everything up. Consecutive appetite is best by eating the Turkey first and then moving to the sweet potatoes and eating all of those, et cetera, et cetera. And eating a fresh diet that is. Seasonal really is like a consecutive appetite. So anyway, those are some of the more fi like the finer details of human design. but all of them are reflected, which is just a another reason that I love to use human design to help us during perimenopause, because it touches on all of those things and it personalizes it, you know?

Mary Lee: 1:05:37

great. Oh my

Lori Lisai: 1:05:37

Yeah.

Mary Lee: 1:05:38

know, this is going to shift the way I coach and train women. when I,'cause I'm, I help them with their strength training programs and I just help them with, as a menopause doula. We just are there to hold space with them and give them these little, tricks and tips and knowledge about what they have at their disposal

Lori Lisai: 1:05:56

Mm-hmm.

Mary Lee: 1:05:57

agency of their menopause so that they can make choices about having to wait for an external factor, know, such as HRT. Not

Lori Lisai: 1:06:04

Mm-hmm.

Mary Lee: 1:06:05

it, that is one piece of the puzzle, but they have so much at their disposal. But now I am going to shift a little bit and say, okay, before we get started on our program, do your human design, your, free chart

Lori Lisai: 1:06:19

Yeah.

Mary Lee: 1:06:20

website helps me understand, okay. Now I know what you're, I mean, I can't read it, but I'll know a little bit more about, okay, this is why this person is very fidgety in my class, for example, and this person is. Completely on the floor pile of sweat saying, I can't do this anymore.

Lori Lisai: 1:06:39

Mm-hmm.

Mary Lee: 1:06:40

I think that in truly to honor the role of a doula, we have to show up in compassionate listeners. And as a coach, you have to show up where your client is at.

Lori Lisai: 1:06:50

Mm-hmm.

Mary Lee: 1:06:51

client in front of you, not the program.

Lori Lisai: 1:06:55

Right.

Mary Lee: 1:06:55

has to adjust. And that little tidbit of information of knowing their human design me that aha, I get it. Let's adjust, let's modify so that you can reap all the benefits and have success. Because there are so many programs out there that are cookie cutter design. You just do this, you'll get these results,

Lori Lisai: 1:07:17

Mm-hmm.

Mary Lee: 1:07:17

doesn't fit. And I always often feel like I'm not fitting into that program. I don't. So I'm very apprehensive when I see all of these, buy this, buy that, and try this and try that because it is so cookie cutter.

Lori Lisai: 1:07:29

Mm-hmm.

Mary Lee: 1:07:30

me, not

Lori Lisai: 1:07:31

Right?

Mary Lee: 1:07:32

to the masses. Coach me

Lori Lisai: 1:07:35

Yeah.

Mary Lee: 1:07:36

wanna coach you. And

Lori Lisai: 1:07:37

Yeah.

Mary Lee: 1:07:38

what you do with your clients. Oh my goodness.

Lori Lisai: 1:07:40

Hmm.

Mary Lee: 1:07:41

So much synchronicity going on here. I love this. I love this, I love this. Beautiful.

Lori Lisai: 1:07:46

Same. So good.

Mary Lee: 1:07:48

could talk for hours, honestly, for hours and hours, but I want to leave our listeners with one thing, that there's multiple different, well, five designs. but what is one thing that a perimenopause menopausal woman can do just to find some grace? Some respite, if you will, as she is going through this massive transition and trying to honor who she truly is,

Lori Lisai: 1:08:15

Yeah, I think a great place to start is with learning what your energy type is

Mary Lee: 1:08:21

right?

Lori Lisai: 1:08:23

If you know that information, then you understand not only how to honor the way that your energy works, and I usually split it between sacral beings, generators, and manifesting generators and non sacral beings, manifesters projectors and reflectors. So learning the difference between which camp you're in and how your energy affects other people, because. As much as we want to focus on ourselves in this phase of life, we're in relationship with other people consistently and constantly. And I think learning your energy type and also learning the energy type of your loved ones can help you to build so much empathy and understanding not only for yourself, but also for the people that you're, you know, consistently around. And as we know hormones and the havoc that they wreak on our emotions, how ragey we can get, I think knowing other people's human design can be really helpful for you to just say like, okay. for example, if I'm a projector mom and I have generator children, I. They're probably going to exhaust me. And just understanding that is a step in the right direction. And then being able to communicate that to your partner. Let's say your partner is a generator being, you can just say, look, I really need you to take, the kids or take the lead for this and I need to go take a projector nap. That's what I need to function. And there can be this understanding versus blame or selfishness or whatever. So I think that, I think energy type is a great place to start.

Mary Lee: 1:10:19

Wow. What a shift in the school system it would be if we knew this information.

Lori Lisai: 1:10:24

No.

Mary Lee: 1:10:26

Oh my goodness. But it goes back to the two things. The old adage seek first to understand before being understood. Understand the energy of others. And I think the second thing is when we say, especially in a fitness class or a class of any type, it's like, honor your energy. you need to rest in Shavasana or a child's post, honor that energy.

Lori Lisai: 1:10:46

Mm-hmm.

Mary Lee: 1:10:47

to take a break, if you need to. I always say, if you need to take a hot second to take a break, take that break and then get right back in when you're ready.'cause it's oh, permission to be myself. Yeah.

Lori Lisai: 1:10:59

Exactly.

Mary Lee: 1:11:00

Yeah.

Lori Lisai: 1:11:00

Yes, yes.

Mary Lee: 1:11:02

Oh, Lori, I wanna bring you back. It's been a delight. We'll get all your links in the show notes, including where we can find your free. to find out what everybody's energy is and, stay tuned for more details of part two of this amazing episode. Thank you so much, Lori.

Lori Lisai: 1:11:20

Thank you so much for having me. I so appreciate it.

Mary Lee: 1:11:25

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